Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/17/2000 08:05 AM House STA

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HJR 52-CONFIRM PUBLIC CORP BD MANAGING ASSETS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0040                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES announced  the first order of business  is HOUSE JOINT                                                              
RESOLUTION NO. 52, "Proposing an  amendment to the Constitution of                                                              
the State of Alaska relating to certain public corporations."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES  presented  the  sponsor  statement  for  HJR  52  as                                                              
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's    Constitution    currently    provides    for                                                                   
     legislative  confirmation of  all boards or  commissions                                                                   
     which  are  the head  of  a  principal department  or  a                                                                   
     regulatory or  quasi-judicial agency.  An  example would                                                                   
     be the Department of Fish and Game.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Public corporations,  which manage and  control billions                                                                   
     of dollars of state assets and  have a tremendous impact                                                                   
     on the  economy of our state,  are not included  in this                                                                   
     provision.     Their   members   are   not  subject   to                                                                   
     legislative confirmation.   An example is  the Permanent                                                                   
     Fund Corporation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     I believe  these public  corporation boards should  also                                                                   
     be   required   to  undergo   formal   appointment   and                                                                   
     confirmation,  thereby  making   the  public  and  their                                                                   
     elected representatives part of the process.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     House   Joint  Resolution   52   would  amend   Alaska's                                                                   
     constitution to require this.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0215                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  noted that  HJR 52 is the  same as the  corresponding                                                              
Senate bill.   She stated  that the  Permanent Fund Board  manages                                                              
the largest  single state  asset, and it  seems to her  that board                                                              
management  can change  overnight on  the whim  of a governor,  as                                                              
happened  when former Governor  Hickel and  Governor Knowles  took                                                              
office.   She does  not think  such a  procedure is good  business                                                              
policy  because  it  wipes  out continuity.    Although  she  does                                                              
approve the  appointments being made  by a governor, she  wants to                                                              
see continuity in maintaining expertise.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES noted that she had tried  to change the present manner                                                              
of appointing board members to the  Permanent Fund Corporation [in                                                              
particular]  by  statute,  but  found  any change  had  to  be  by                                                              
constitutional  amendment.   She  commented that  the factor  that                                                              
determines  whether  a  corporation  or  board is  listed  in  the                                                              
constitution is if  the legislature confirms the  appointees.  She                                                              
explained that  the Permanent  Fund Corporation  is not  listed in                                                              
the  constitution;  therefore,  the   legislature  does  not  have                                                              
jurisdiction to  confirm appointees to  the board.   She indicated                                                              
HJR 52  is important to her  and urged its careful  consideration.                                                              
She emphasized  that maintaining  continuity  does not preclude  a                                                              
change in policy  to conform with the ruling administration.   She                                                              
reminded the committee that new board  members of any organization                                                              
have  to learn  the  whole process,  so she  does  not approve  of                                                              
replacing an entire  board at the whim of any  new administration.                                                              
She said  HJR 52 applies  to all   boards, commissions  and public                                                              
corporations,  not just to  the Permanent  Fund Corporation.   She                                                              
mentioned that  many Alaskans even  question the need for  all the                                                              
state boards.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0501                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN  inquired about the exclusion  clause on lines                                                              
12-14, page 1, which read:  "With  respect to public corporations,                                                              
the  legislature may  by  law exclude  the  applicability of  this                                                              
section based on  the type or value, or both, of  the State assets                                                              
that are managed by the public corporation."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  replied that  the legislature  could exclude  certain                                                              
public corporations,  not necessarily  boards and commissions,  if                                                              
it so  desired.  For  example, the  legislature could  exclude the                                                              
Alaska Railroad  Corporation (ARRC) or the Alaska  Housing Finance                                                              
Corporation (AHFC) by law.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0580                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN requested a list of the public corporations.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES replied that the list  she has is a list of boards and                                                              
commissions.   She wondered if the  committee might want  to allow                                                              
certain  boards   and  commissions   to  be  excluded   also  from                                                              
legislative   confirmation;  an   example   is  the   occupational                                                              
licensing  boards.    She said  according  to  her  understanding,                                                              
industries  that are  monitored by  occupational licensing  boards                                                              
submit candidates  for the governor's approval.   She reminded the                                                              
committee  that  many  board  candidates   are  confirmed  by  the                                                              
legislature since they are already under legislative authority.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGAN  asked if  it  was  Chair James'  intent,  in                                                              
accord with lines  12-14, page 1, of HJR 52,  to allow legislators                                                              
to pick  and choose  among public corporations  the ones  that the                                                              
legislators  wanted to confirm.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0784                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JAMES answered  yes.   However,  to do  that the  committee                                                              
needs to pass a constitutional amendment, HJR 52.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0796                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WHITAKER   asked  if  the  Aerospace   Development                                                              
Corporation, the  AHFC, the Permanent  Fund Corporation,  the ARRC                                                              
and the Student Loan Corporation  are the only public corporations                                                              
not currently subject to legislative approval.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES replied  in the affirmative.  She said  that by HJR 52                                                              
she  is adding  chief  administrators  of public  corporations  to                                                              
Article III, Section 26, of the state constitution.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WHITAKER   asked  if  the  current   procedure  is                                                              
"broken"  and if there  are specific  areas that  Chair James  has                                                              
identified and  wants to change.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  answered yes  and cited the  Permanent Fund  Board as                                                              
her specific area  of concern.  For example, when  former Governor                                                              
Hickel came  into office, he  dismissed the entire  Permanent Fund                                                              
Board and re-established  the board with his own  appointees.  She                                                              
said she does not believe partisan  people should be managing vast                                                              
amounts  of  public  funds  through   public  corporations.    She                                                              
reiterated the  necessity of maintaining continuity  on the public                                                              
corporations  because new  board members  simply do  not have  the                                                              
experience that a productive, older board member has to offer.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1019                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WHITAKER voiced his  understanding that each member                                                              
of a board would be subject to approval by the legislature.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES confirmed  that.  She acknowledged  that sometimes the                                                              
legislature does deny a confirmation,  and offered her belief that                                                              
most members  of boards and commissions  are chosen on  a partisan                                                              
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  said she is thinking about HJR  52 from a                                                              
different angle.   She  wonders why Article  III, Section  26, was                                                              
set  up  the   way  it  is.    Alaska  has   a  "strong  governor"                                                              
administration,  and yet the legislature  requires all  boards and                                                              
commissions  to obtain  confirmation  from the  legislature.   She                                                              
also wonders what,  if any, public corporations,  existed when the                                                              
state  constitution was  written.   She  suspects  that maybe  the                                                              
constitution drafters'  intention would  have been to  include all                                                              
boards,   commissions   and   public    corporations   if   public                                                              
corporations had  existed at that  time.  She commented  that what                                                              
bothers her  regarding HJR  52 is the  exception, because  that is                                                              
when things start getting political.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1215                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JAMES  said if  she found  exceptions were  to be  made, she                                                              
would find  them in boards and  commissions rather than  in public                                                              
corporations.  The  confirmation process is more than  the vote on                                                              
the floor:  it is the public process  of the hearing and requiring                                                              
the  candidate to  appear before  the committee.   She  reiterated                                                              
that public process  is missing in public  corporation appointees.                                                              
Her reasoning is  that if boards and commissions  are so important                                                              
as  to be  confirmed  by the  legislature,  then certainly  public                                                              
corporations are  much more important  due to the vast  amounts of                                                              
public funds that  they control.  She suggested that  if there are                                                              
no exceptions for  boards and commissions, then  maybe there ought                                                              
not to be any for public corporations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1387                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGAN made a motion  to move HJR 52 out of committee                                                              
with  individual recommendations  and  the  attached fiscal  note.                                                              
There  being no  objection,  HJR  52 moved  from  the House  State                                                              
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                

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